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  • Listening to: sewing machines.
  • Reading: zig-zag machine instructions.
  • Watching: the bobbin go up and down.
  • Playing: do you get it? i'm in studio.
  • Eating: nah not really, i'm on my sofa.
  • Drinking: but i should be in studio haha.
This is a rant. About fashion. I don't rant often, but I feel very strongly about this topic. Feel free to ignore, respond, argue...you probably won't agree (I sense that this will be an unpopular opinion) but that's good too. You probably won't even be reading this warning, because who the fuck reads journals anyways?

So I was watching the news today, national not local, and I saw a discussion between a female journalist and two guest correspondents. I'm not sure what their credentials were, but they were also female. The title of this segment was "Scary Skinny", and it was about the 'dangerous' tendency for the fashion industry to a. use anorexic looking models in fashion shows, and b. to design with thin clients in mind. The women made the claim that in doing so, designers perpetuate harmful and outrageous ideals for girls and ignore a huge percent of the population. I think they quoted something like 62% of US women being above a size 12.

Now, I have a lot of new watchers, so let me give you some background on me. I am 4'11''. I have a very curvy body and I do not have a small waist. I am not astoundingly attractive. I am perhaps the opposite of the tall skinny beautiful model that these women are railing against.

I am also a fashion design student, and I plan to pursue that career when I graduate.

And, as you can see from my galley, my aesthetic leans towards that anorexic, outrageously tall and beautiful figure. I have drawn like this since I was two. This is not something I learned from celebrities, barbie, or fashion. It is me. Despite this, I use models with 'real' bodies. If I had to guess, I'd say none of my models have been below a size 4...but that's really a guess. I don't ask their sizes, obviously.






You may have guessed from my abrupt tone that I completely disagree with this 'anti-skinny' attitude. "Why's that?!" you ask. I should be totally for it, considering my unusual body type, right? Wrong! Before I am anything, I am an artist and designer, which means I understand the concept of art, I understand the concept of the aesthetic, and I understand the concept of passion.


Because fashion is something that we can wear, I think a lot of people forget that it is actually, first and foremost, art! Fashion designers, the type who put on runways shows and concoct those crazy exiting garments, are actually artists too! Just like you, fellow deviants! They may not practice on a canvas or in a museum (well, sometimes), but what they do is still art. A designer sat down with his sketchpad, collected his inspirations and aesthetics about him, and worked hard to create that garment you are wearing. Do you know how much thought goes into those couture looks? How much work? How much dedication? I have been working on my current collection since this past summer, and all I have to show for it are five completed looks on paper and one dress which I haven't even made yet (here's hoping it'll be finished next week, since finals are rapidly approaching!). I have whole sketchbooks dedicated to this concept, and entire stacks of paper full of clothing ideas and sketches.


My point is, no one questions the painter or photographer or sculptor when he chooses the beautiful woman as his subject--so why do we criticize the fashion designer? Fact is, the model is just his canvas...and, I'm sorry to say this, but it needs to be said, and we all need to come to terms with it, including me...clothes just look better on skinnier people. Don't throw things at me! It's true! I can't tell you why. I know several people will disagree with this statement, and I myself like a little flesh on the bones of whoever I'm looking at naked, when it comes to clothes--just the pure artistic value of clothes--they usually read better on someone who is skinny.



(The best way I can describe it is, you wouldn't normally paint on a wobbly bobby canvas right? I mean maybe, if that agreed with your concept, but usually you're looking at the canvas as a totally blank starting point. The model is supposed to be like that. A flat, blank canvas. It's really the only explanation I can find...although often I bypass this concept entirely. I'll say this again: I use real girls as models. Did I ask you not to throw things at me? Please don't throw things at me...)



As an artist, the designer is only interested in acting out his or her concept and ideas, which brings me to my next point--who are you to judge, Mrs. National News Anchor Journalist Girl? What does it matter to you if a designer uses skinny girls or fat girls or drag queens or elephants or hippos or planets or street lamps or anti-matter as his models? Does your opinion matter? No! Because this is a work of art, and he is under absolutely no obligation to fix your self-esteem issues. Yes! That's right! I as a designer am not responsible for making you feel better about yourself!

I mean, I'm sorry if girls have poor body images (I know I certainly do, if that flattering description above didn't tip you off), and I'd certainly love to help them overcome their problems, and I really really hope that my clothes make them feel beautiful, but it's not my fault, at all, if they don't. We, fashion designers, did not raise you. We did not tell you to look like the models we like to use. We are not responsible for your self-esteem. We are only trying to show the world what we think is beautiful. We are only trying to express our aesthetics and passion, our calling as artists. Why you playa hatin'?


Let me end this fairly long rant by saying this: I will always continue to draw skinny, tall people. It's just my thing--always has been and probably always will be. I will never compromise my artistic ideals because of outside pressure. I don't know what my taste in models will be in the future, as I pick my models based on an instinctual drive that says "Yes! This one! Stalk this girl or boy until you find their name, and then sneak up on them and ask really quickly so they're so stunned they can't say no!!" (true stories) (I suck at asking for models) (usually I just use my friends because I'm too much of a pussy to ask total strangers). All I know is, I will never pick a model or design a piece of clothing because the news media or any other sort of social commentator is yelling at me about what I should and shouldn't be doing with my time and money. And why is that? Because I'm an artist, and I stand by what I do.




Thanks, if you read all that. I'd love to hear what y'all think about this, apparently, rather controversial topic. Like I said, I'm sure I have a lot of dissenters. All I ask is that if you do want to discuss this, we do it calmly, responsibly, and with a smile. Yay.
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~panda-jamican-pie Dec 18, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
so in other words, i guess i'm in the middle, i agree and disagree. You are free to do anything you want in art and shouldn't felt guilt about something everyone is responsible for. I draw all types of people, small, short, skinny, tall, "curvy" as in hour glass, with all types of features. sadly, you can't see this change because i've become busy with college and am too tired to upload things on the daily...but i have learned that diversity and change are the spices of life and can be quite enjoyable~

so if it bothers you, and you kinda do sound hypocritical in some of your statements i think you need to go over how you really feel about everything as a whole.
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~panda-jamican-pie Dec 18, 2010  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
i have a hour glass figure and i'm black. The white barbie has always been pushed on me, straight hair has been pushed on me and being really really thin has been pushed on me. I use to draw only white, skinny girls with straight hair when i was younger because in my mind thats what i though was beautiful and thats what the world(expect my family) thought was beautiful. But now over the years, my opinion, my style and sense of fashion has change. But the industry hasn't. I'm not going to throw a donut at some skinny model nor will i haggle them because they have the "ideal" body.My problem is that I just wished there were more black, spanish and indian, ect. models are there. It doesn't hurt to throw some ethnicity out there. And to be honest, there are some fly fashionable "ethnic" people out there. And i love fashion, its a main part of me. But mainstream fashion only carters to a small amount of people. Fashion is not diverse in my eyes, And I wish there was some more curvy models out there, because there is beauty within there shape like Joan Holloway. And because in turn...no one makes clothes for my body shape. this is just my little rant. I know you will see beauty in all figures and yours one day~
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~yellowpin Dec 10, 2010  Student Interface Designer
I completely agree with you here. I study fashion design myself too and we have ahd sort of fights about this subject at out school too. Some of my class mates like to draw a more curvier model but others like the anorexicly skinny look. And what I've gathered is that usually the people sho draw more cursy figures are curvy themselves and the ones who draw skinny figures are skinny themselves. So many times people are just designing for themselves. But as you said you don't draw a body type that is exactly like your own and I don't draw a body type that is my own either. I draw a body type that fits the clothings best. I really want the models to be really plain so that the clothes would stand out. But on the runway a long model makes a bigger impact on the looker. Some of my classmates say they would want us to use plus size models on the runway show coming up. And these plussize models aren't even that skinny they are normal size but just tall and I think I could work with that, but I do prefer the skinnier type so the body isn't the main point of the look but the clothes. But in swimwear and lingerie the skinny type does not look that good. We had a fashion show for lingerie before and the models didn't really do justice for the clothes since they couldn't fill the bras up and you could really see that the models were uncomfortable on the runway with so little on and those models were professional models too! So it was really interesting. But I think if you have really curvy girls wearing the clothes the looker just sees "big boobs" and not the clothes.
But I have really mixed feelings about this subject. I do like the skinny model type but of course some times it is not healthy for those girls. Having had to deal with a eating disorder myself it is really not something you would wish on another person. The model type in the fashion scene could be a bit bigger and it wouldn't be that different really. I do want the models to be tall but not so skinny as they are now. But then again I think is a whole nother thing how crazily the media is dealing with this thing. I think we shouldn't pay so much attention to skinny since there are so many obese people out there too and that's not healthy either.
But yeah. I bet this comment makes no sence. But this issue is something I have to deal with myslef too and it raises many guestions. I don't know what to say about this matter since there is always somebody who disagrees and makes me look at my values again. I do agree that artistcly making for a skinnier model it is better but then again we should think that the models are people too.
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"clothes just look better on skinnier people. "
well, not really. not all clothes, anyways. i do understand that you would need the person to be not too obvious under the clothes in order to display the clothes, or your sense of aesthetics obliges you to use such forms, but that does not mean clothes look better on skinny people. not being ridiculously skinny does not mean you have rolls of fat sticking out.

"We did not tell you to look like the models we like to use... We are only trying to show the world what we think is beautiful."
i think you can kind-of see the problem here. you're displaying your sense of aesthetics, and since the true appreciation of your art can only come through wearing the clothes withing your sense of aesthetics, people who want to wear the clothes you design need to be like the models you conceived the clothes for. so, yeah, you're telling them to be thin... or not be beautiful, that is also an option.

that being said, there seems to be an anti-skinny people campaign going on. i spent this weekend shopping with a friend of mine (who is not extremely skinny, but is rather thin) only to find that a great majority of clothing lines do not sell clothes for people our size. which is ridiculous. i need to put on 5-7lbs to wear the clothes i want. reverse prosecution yay.
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~Zorrin Nov 30, 2010  Student Digital Artist
You know, I honestly never thought of it that way, as much as it pains me to say it. I'm not sure if I ever thought about it very much in the first place, to be more honest. You're completely right, fashion is art and should be treated with the same respect as the rest of art. I totally agree with you.
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I would like to add my two cents here. Clothing isn't designed for the super tall skinny girls. Trust me. I'm just shy of 6'2 and I weigh about 130 pounds. I'm perfectly healthy and my body comes naturally. I can't shop at any mainstream stores and buy clothes. Clothes aren't made for tall skinny girls. I'm the exact build of a perfect model, and I can't buy a damn thing in stores.

Girls want to diet to be skinny? I have to eat a special diet to gain weight. I assure you it is just as frustrating as trying to lose weight. At least 3-4 times every week people ask me if I have an eating disorder, I definitely don't.

People need to learn to accept themselves and move on with life. I grew up wishing I was shorter and curvier. I hated looking the way I did. I was the tallest person my age in my town. Not the tallest girl, the tallest person. No guy would give me the time of day because I was taller than them. I'm not curvy, I'm not anything normal. It works both ways guys. The tall girls wanna be shorter and the short girls wanna be taller. Body issues are part of growing up.

That's my slightly off topic rant for the night :)

I agree with MotionSickness completely on this. You hit it dead on.
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there's a difference between clothing designed for mass-production and the clothing that you see on the runway. they're produced in entirely different manners, with the runway stuff being more individually tailored and the mass-produced stuff being more 'averaged out'. it's the runway stuff that's intended for the super skinny and tall girl. but yeah, i've heard from a lot of tall girls who have major issues finding clothes...unfortunately there isn't really much of a market for that like there is for petite girls. because production is so expensive, companies have to limit the number of specialty sizes they offer, but it'd be an interesting idea to market to the super tall customer.

i agree with you that body issues are just part of the natural growing up process, or maybe just part of the natural life process haha. nobody is happy with what they have, and like ~motionsickness said, it takes a lot of work to reach a place where you're okay with your image.
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"We are only trying to show the world what we think is beautiful. We are only trying to express our aesthetics and passion, our calling as artists."

I think that's sort of the problem, but let me just preface this by saying I do actually agree with you fashion is an art form and they should be able to do whatever the hell they want
but
fashion and clothes and models are tightly tied into the media who are responsible for bombarding the public with images of what they think is aesthetically pleasing which transfers to what they think beauty is. So girls see this amazing display and they want to be just like that, they want that aesthetically pleasing image to be them. But the issue is the beauty of media and models is totally manufactured and not actually natural so girls are trying to conform to something that is physically impossible to obtain.
weather that is the parents fault or the media's fault that girls feel that way I'm not sure but it might be a combination of both. Personally I think it takes a lot of inner reflection to get to the point where you just don't give a shit. And when you don't feel intimidated by what is shown all around you as beauty. I think you have to be a strong person, with a healthy support system, to not fall into that trap which I don't think most of the public has. So of course women aren't going to be able to see the distinction between ART and REALITY. But I agree with you none of this is the artists fault it's the fault of everyone I guess. Everyone who have made that scary skinny image the one of beauty. Michelangelo sculpted bodes that were by far not skinny but I'd give someone five hundred dollars if they could find something that was not aesthetically pleasing about those.
I guess my point is I don't think super skinny un-natural models have to be the norm because a curvy body is hella sexy and there are a lot of clothes that look like total shit on a flat skinny girl. And you said so yourself you like a little bit of meat on the bones and I think a lot of people think the same in there real life worlds so why can't that be reflect in fashion? I just don't think it all has to be the way that it is.
/Rant
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:iconklindicative:
yeah i think you've got it here. i predict that in the coming seasons we're going to see a movement away from 'scary skinny' and into something a little more curvy, a little more athletic. this is partially a reaction to all the skinny-backlash that's been occurring recently, and also a renewed interest in the 70's which had more of a curvy body type ideal.

do you think its possible to reach that 'i dont care' stage at all? sometimes i feel like i'll never get there...but to be honest, i feel like my own insecurity has less to do with what society says is beautiful and what i think is beautiful. i want to look a certain way, but that way has nothing to do with what my culture says i should look like...or at least, i like to think so haha. i know this isnt the case for a lot of girls though, that their self-image is tied up in the media irrevocably.
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~chaotickittie03 Nov 28, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Will you marry me? Because, I swear, you took what I was about to write and wrote it before me xD
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